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  Flashback to the sixties Seatle

  by Tater-T in

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  so while making a you tube video of my dad today, i came across this in a dvd of home movies from way back, i didn't even know about it... originally shot on super 8 film, shot off screen with camcorder in 1992, with open mic, transfered to dvd in 2010 .. made to you tube in 2013.... check out the food service, without paper plates no less .. it's only a couple minutes on convention then, a little seatle conventions were a family vacation when we were growing up ... .

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teslivkoak4.

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  Old Goat

  This seems to be the Men of Goodwill District Assembly at Sick's Seattle Stadium, July 16-19, 1970. I remember it well.

  I'm fairly certain that I shouldn't tell you too much about it, because most anything I have to say would be identifying. I will say that some of my best work at convention experiences happened here. And a "brother" who was a reporter for a local station made me laugh when he scolded a visiting camera man and reporter who worked under him, telling them he'd take up their behavior (which was rude to say the least) back at the station. It is always fun to see a jerk pulled up by his shorts.
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  Sample Pages

  by Old Goat in

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  this is a follow up to my last post about the history written by schulz and de vienne.

  they've posted sample pages from their forth coming book on their blog.

  http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/.

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  Old Goat

  One of the authors has posted an essay about their fothcoming book. Fun read, interesting:

  http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/
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  Trivia about the history of the beloved Governing Body

  by Terry in

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  the very first legal governing body of (jehovah's witnesses) bible students were seven persons which included pastor c.t.russell, his wife maria, and his controversial ward, rose ball.. five men and two women.

  these seven persons were also the directors of the watchtower bible and tract society.

  this group set policies and practices for the rest of the religious followers of pastor russell.

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  Old Goat

  Good post. Rose Ball wasn't one of the original directors, though that claim is made online. The original charter lists the directors as

  Charles T. Russell

  William I. Mann

  Maria F. Fussell

  William C. McMillan

  Simon O. Blunden

  J. B. Adamson

  Joseph F. Smith

  Mann was an engineer and manger for some of the most important Steel Mills and had the reputation of being well educated and well spoken; W. C. MacMillan was college graduate and a phramcist; S. O. Blunden owned a fancy goods shop (women's wear) and later traveled for a large wholesale house; J. B. Adamson was a businessman turned evangelist; J. F. Smith was a partner in a prominent Merchant Tailor business and had realestate and printing interests. Rosa Ball didn't become a director until some years later.

  You will find some information here: http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/ . Not available without invitation is a long essay on some of these men found on a private blog. Ask the owner of truthhistory for access, but be prepared to be turned down. I understand that the first volume of their new book is coming out in March? next year. It will be the most authoritative Watch Tower movement history ever published.
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  My Family's Bible Student History

  by designs in

  1. watchtower
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  recently my cousin on my mother's mcconnell side of the family stopped by for a visit and brought several boxs of photos and memorabilia and family bibles.

  two of the bibles are very worn and contain many hand written notes from my grandfather, grandmother and uncle who were bible students and then jws.. leafing through the pages of one bible this morning i came across something i had never seen- a jw calling card, a business card size.

  it says 'one of jehovah"s witnesses' second line 'preaching the kingdom of jehovah our god' the capitals and lower case words were interesting in how they saw things after 1931.. there are photos of russell, knorr with van amberg (who stayed with my grandparents on visits to california), knorr with a fellow taller than knorr who looks like chairman mao (anyone have a guess who that might be).

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  Old Goat

  i'd love to see the photos. macmillan stayed with my uncle when he came to this part of the country in the 1940s. I regret not taking photos.

  can you post some of them for us to see?
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  Elders and former elders: Judicial cases how often?

  by A question in

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  how many judicial cases did you serve on, in how many years as an elder?

  feel free to talk about the cases too..

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  Old Goat

  I was a company servant, later congregation servant, then elder. I resigned in the 1990s due to health and age issues. At the risk of making myself identifiable, my wife and I were moved from place to place sometimes specifically to address issues in troubled congregations. That did not alway require a "judicial" approach. Common sense and kindness does wonders. Legalism is a bad path to follow except as a last resort.

  The worst year saw a back log of unaddressed issues extending back for almost a decade. There were many meetings, not all of them 'judicial." it was an exhausting year. A good year saw most issues go away without a committee meeting. You get from a congregation what you put into it. Create an 'elders' club" and you will have trouble. Be a shepherd and you will have far fewer problems. Unfortunately, many elders are power hungry dolts who create their own problems.

  My wife and I (and another elder from California) were sent into a mountain states congregation and told by the Circuit Overseer to open every committee file and review it. That review revealed years-long abuse of power by the past congregation servant/presiding elder. He was a nasty bit of work who came to my house to rant and managed to keep it up mostly without a breath for an hour and a half. He called his son-in-law, an elder in the next congregation down the road, and tried to get him to come to our congregation to "clean our spiritual clocks."

  If 'the truth' fails, it's because of people like that.
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  Sample Pages

  by Old Goat in

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  this is a follow up to my last post about the history written by schulz and de vienne.

  they've posted sample pages from their forth coming book on their blog.

  http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/.

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  Old Goat

  No connection to anointed.org or what ever that is. Dr. de Vienne also writes fiction and has a literary/arts blog that is a bit chatty and sometimes about her daughters' antics. she is not a Witness. Mr. (Dr?) Schulz has no other web presence as far as I know. He is a long-time Witness. I worked with him at International Conventions and such back in the day. Nice guy. One of the few Witnesses I found worthy of respect. They both teach.
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  Sample Pages

  by Old Goat in

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  this is a follow up to my last post about the history written by schulz and de vienne.

  they've posted sample pages from their forth coming book on their blog.

  http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/.

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  Old Goat

  I'm sure it does. I just don't know what it is.
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  Sample Pages

  by Old Goat in

  1. watchtower
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  this is a follow up to my last post about the history written by schulz and de vienne.

  they've posted sample pages from their forth coming book on their blog.

  http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/.

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  Old Goat

  This is a follow up to my last post about the history written by Schulz and de Vienne. They've posted sample pages from their forth coming book on their blog. Take a look.

  http://truthhistory.blogspot.com/
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  Can you help?

  by Old Goat in

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  i seldom post here, though i read the posts here daily.

  i spend most of my time just growing older.

  (i became a witness in 1948, so you can guess my age.

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  Old Goat

  Nathan,

  That's a very interesting comment. I've read snippets of their material on Paton. There is a finished chapter with his biography. It's really good. I see that they see him as a bit nasty. I've read some of their notes on his break with Russell, and though I reject Universalism, some of what he wrote strikes me as very thoughtful. In this era Russell associated with G Myers, a Restitution evangelist. I've read some of his sermons. I can see why he didn't stay with the Watch Tower, and I wish they were more readily avialable. Do you have any other names of "the thoughtful" that fall into the period before 1890? This topic interests me.
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  Can you help?

  by Old Goat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i seldom post here, though i read the posts here daily.

  i spend most of my time just growing older.

  (i became a witness in 1948, so you can guess my age.

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  Old Goat

  As I understand it, A. D. Jones does not come off well. He became a major fraudster and was responsible for someone's death. He was arrested and fled NYC for points west. One of the authors told me that Conley hired a clergyman for his faith cure house that seduced the young women. Conley was suitably horrified, I suppose. I've read bits of their research on A P Adams. Apparently he was a corpulent bully.